Jean DietschAge: 66 years1718–1785
- Name
- Jean Dietsch
- Given names
- Jean
- Surname
- Dietsch
Johann Dietsch
- Name
- Johann Dietsch
- Given names
- Johann
- Surname
- Dietsch
| Birth | January 16, 1718 28 32 Note: The Grussenheim Papers list this date as 26 jan 1718. |
| Birth of a brother | Jean Michel “Michel” Dietsch September 27, 1720 (Age 2 years) |
| Death of a brother | Jean Georges Dietsch October 18, 1720 (Age 2 years) |
| Birth of a sister | Catherine Dietsch April 4, 1723 (Age 5 years) |
| Birth of a sister | Thérèse Dietsch April 4, 1723 (Age 5 years) |
| Death of a maternal grandfather | Mathias Untz July 30, 1723 (Age 5 years) |
| Birth of a sister | Marie Salomée Dietsch November 19, 1725 (Age 7 years) |
| Birth of a brother | Louis Dietsch October 4, 1730 (Age 12 years) |
| Marriage | Barbara … — View this family 1738 (Age 19 years) |
| Death of a sister | Catherine Dietsch January 11, 1742 (Age 23 years) |
| Death of a mother | Catherine Untz July 29, 1743 (Age 25 years) Text: The Bianco genealogy lists the death date as 8 jun 1759. Since that is also the date of her husband's death, I have chosen to go with the date from the Grussenheim Papers. |
| Death of a brother | Mathias Dietsch March 16, 1752 (Age 34 years) |
| Death of a father | Mathias Dietsch June 6, 1759 (Age 41 years) Note: The Bianco genealogy lists this date as 8 jun 1759. |
| Death of a sister | Anne Marie Dietsch May 1, 1767 (Age 49 years) |
| Death of a brother | Jean Michel “Michel” Dietsch June 15, 1776 (Age 58 years) |
| Occupation | Meunier (miller) |
| Death | 1785 (Age 66 years) |
| Family with parents |
| father |
Mathias Dietsch Birth: May 8, 1689 39 39 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France Death: June 6, 1759 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France |
| mother |
Catherine Untz Birth: April 16, 1685 25 25 — Hessenheim, Canton of Marckolsheim, Sélestat-Erstein, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France Death: July 29, 1743 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France |
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Marriage: November 4, 1709 — Hessenheim, Canton of Marckolsheim, Sélestat-Erstein, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France |
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11 months elder sister |
Anne Marie Dietsch Birth: September 30, 1710 21 25 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France Death: May 1, 1767 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France |
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20 months elder brother |
Mathias Dietsch Birth: May 26, 1712 23 27 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France Death: March 16, 1752 |
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4 years elder brother |
Jean Georges Dietsch Birth: January 2, 1716 26 30 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France Death: October 18, 1720 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France |
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2 years himself |
Jean Dietsch Birth: January 16, 1718 28 32 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France Death: 1785 |
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3 years younger brother |
Jean Michel “Michel” Dietsch Birth: September 27, 1720 31 35 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France Death: June 15, 1776 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France |
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3 years younger sister |
Catherine Dietsch Birth: April 4, 1723 33 37 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France Death: January 11, 1742 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France |
| younger sister |
Thérèse Dietsch Birth: April 4, 1723 33 37 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France |
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3 years younger sister |
Marie Salomée Dietsch Birth: November 19, 1725 36 40 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France Death: January 1, 1788 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France |
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5 years younger brother |
Louis Dietsch Birth: October 4, 1730 41 45 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France |
| Family with Barbara … |
| himself |
Jean Dietsch Birth: January 16, 1718 28 32 — Grussenheim, Canton of Andolsheim, Colmar, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France Death: 1785 |
| wife | |
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Marriage: 1738 — |
| Joseph Lorber + Barbara … |
| wife’s husband |
Joseph Lorber Death: 1738 |
| wife |
| Name | Chronicle: The Grussenheim Papers, English Translation |
| Source | Généalogie d'Hélène et Thierry Bianco Publication: The Hélène and Thierry Bianco Genealogy website
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/thierry.bianco/
Notre généalogie qui contient environ 20000 fiches concernant essentiellement la Provence et les Alpes du Sud, la région de Damery dans la Marne et celle de Grussenheim dans le Haut-Rhin.
Nous effectuons des relevés systématiques car nous considérons que l'entraide et la mise en commun des données et des talents de chacun ( connaissance des lieux et des patronymes, histoire locale, paléographie, intuition...) sont les seuls moyens de constituer des généalogies aussi larges que possibles.
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| Source | Chronicle: The Grussenheim Papers, English Translation Citation details: page 12 Text: Johann born 26.1.1718. He married into the mill of Ebersheim. Chronicle: Translation of the Grussenheim Papers Type: Document Chronicle: The Grussenheim Papers, German original Type: Manuscript Note: Introductory letter from Marg Saunders:
Alice Mosley Siedelman and Barbara Mosley Peck have been working for over twenty years researching our family's history. A few others have joined with them, but the bulk of the work and time has been theirs. Recently Janet Fries of Bloomington received some very interesting papers and she passed them on to Barb and Alice.
These papers are 12½ single spaced, typewritten pages. They were compiled by Abbe Raymond Seeman of Grussenheim, France. This is a part of his ongoing search for the descendants of the villagers of
Grussenheim.
There was only one problem with these papers. They were written in medieval and modern French and German. We tried, unsuccessfully, to find someone who would translate the papers for us. Being stubborn and naive, I decided to translate the papers myself. I was fully immerged and in eminant danger of being fully submerged, when a good friend came to my rescue.
Inga Kremeyer is a well educated lady who speaks German and French. She was raised in Germany and has a good understanding of German-French history. After I had researched each word, and listed all the possible meanings, Inga and I would place ourselves mentally into the historical time frame and then Inga would translate. As she read, I would check the words against my research and sometimes I was able to correlate English words or terms that eluded Inga. There is one word that we were unable to translate: SIGRESTEN. If you know the meaning, please let us know.*
I have placed this document in notebook form so that it can be expanded. When we have more information we will share it. At the end of the papers you will find a form that you can use for your own family history sheet.
- I have used slash marks (/) to separate my own comments from the main body of the translations. I hope these comments and explanations will clarify the more confused parts of the papers. You will also note that the European method of dating has been used. Example: 29.5.1856, 29th of May, 1856 — day/month/year.
If you can add anything to our information about our family, we would like to hear from you.
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*As we go to the printer's, we have found the meaning of the word "Sigresten". It is of Swiss dialect, a sacristan, an officer in church entrusted with the care of the sacristy, a sexton.
Note: The footnotes in the pdf version of the document refer to the "Corrections to the Translation of the Grussenheim Papers" by Abbe Raymond Seemann. You can find that document in the Mulitmedia Object section below. |
| Source | Chronicle: The Grussenheim Papers, English Translation Citation details: pages 14 and 15 Text: Johann, at 20 years of age married near Ebersheim. A young widow, Barbara Lorber, whose first marriage was to Joseph Lorber, was his /Johann's/ life companion. In the chronicles of the village of Ebersheim we gather this about him. "On the 30th of March, 1748, Franz Ernst of Halm, the Cathedral, was asked for permission by Johann Dietsch, himself, to build a new mill. Johann Dietsch, himself, was in agreement that the cost would be his and it would be on his property. Permission was given to build a meal mill /flour mill/ on his property at Ebersheim at the so called millbrook. The mill would have two gears or speeds, and certain clauses were placed on the building of the mill: that great care would be taken that no one would be harmed by the waterfall, and the waterfall would be regulated that no damage would come /such as flooding or depriving someone of the water/. Johann Dietsch, citizen of Ebersheim in the Ebersheim area, built the mealmill and he had to pay to the same High Cathedral for 4 viertel of wheat and 4 viertel of rye. The waterfall delivered that quota."
At the marriage of Johann Dietsch, his /Johann Dietsch's/ apprentice and also the son of Mathias, there he is soon to know his future wife. He is Michael, who on the 24th of November, 1743, married Anna Rohmer of Ebersheim. Anna was the daughter of Anton Rohmer and Elisabeth Ringeisen. The Rohmer's name is mentioned in 1479 in Ebersheim.
Johann Dietsch owned this mill for only one generation. After his death, the name of the mill changed. Apparently he had no male descendants. In 1765 Nicholas Kircher owned the mill. His son Martin found himself a wife in the Dietsch family from Grussenheim. On the 11th of May, 1785, he married Maria-E1isabeth Dietsch (I1847), the daughter of Michael and Anna Rohmer (the daughter of the brother of Johann who had built the mill). Consequently, the blood of those from the mill of Grussenheim is still at the mill of Ebersheim. It appears, however, that the Kircher's were not unknown in Grussenheim at that time. Around the middle of the century there is in Grussenheim a Joseph Kircher, school teacher. It is likely he originated from Ebersheim. Chronicle: Translation of the Grussenheim Papers Type: Document Chronicle: The Grussenheim Papers, German original Type: Manuscript Note: Introductory letter from Marg Saunders:
Alice Mosley Siedelman and Barbara Mosley Peck have been working for over twenty years researching our family's history. A few others have joined with them, but the bulk of the work and time has been theirs. Recently Janet Fries of Bloomington received some very interesting papers and she passed them on to Barb and Alice.
These papers are 12½ single spaced, typewritten pages. They were compiled by Abbe Raymond Seeman of Grussenheim, France. This is a part of his ongoing search for the descendants of the villagers of
Grussenheim.
There was only one problem with these papers. They were written in medieval and modern French and German. We tried, unsuccessfully, to find someone who would translate the papers for us. Being stubborn and naive, I decided to translate the papers myself. I was fully immerged and in eminant danger of being fully submerged, when a good friend came to my rescue.
Inga Kremeyer is a well educated lady who speaks German and French. She was raised in Germany and has a good understanding of German-French history. After I had researched each word, and listed all the possible meanings, Inga and I would place ourselves mentally into the historical time frame and then Inga would translate. As she read, I would check the words against my research and sometimes I was able to correlate English words or terms that eluded Inga. There is one word that we were unable to translate: SIGRESTEN. If you know the meaning, please let us know.*
I have placed this document in notebook form so that it can be expanded. When we have more information we will share it. At the end of the papers you will find a form that you can use for your own family history sheet.
- I have used slash marks (/) to separate my own comments from the main body of the translations. I hope these comments and explanations will clarify the more confused parts of the papers. You will also note that the European method of dating has been used. Example: 29.5.1856, 29th of May, 1856 — day/month/year.
If you can add anything to our information about our family, we would like to hear from you.
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*As we go to the printer's, we have found the meaning of the word "Sigresten". It is of Swiss dialect, a sacristan, an officer in church entrusted with the care of the sacristy, a sexton.
Note: The footnotes in the pdf version of the document refer to the "Corrections to the Translation of the Grussenheim Papers" by Abbe Raymond Seemann. You can find that document in the Mulitmedia Object section below. |
| Birth | The Grussenheim Papers list this date as 26 jan 1718. |